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Interview: Meredith Hall

Meredith Hall’s first novel, Beneficence, focuses on the Senters, a farming family in rural Maine over the course of many years. This is a quiet novel, one attuned to both the changing seasons of the natural world as well as the changing emotional landscapes of the characters. It is a novel that considers grief, forgiveness, family, work, and love. Reminiscent of Wendell Berry and Marilynne Robinson, Hall’s writing is truly beautiful. What a pleasure it was to be in the world of this book! We are grateful to Joshua Bodwell at Godine for putting this book into our hands and highly recommend you add Beneficence to your autumn reading list.

Meredith Hall will be the guest of honor at the virtual Literary Lunch with author Simon Van Booy on Wednesday, November 18 at 12:00 pm, hosted by Portland Public Library and Maine Writers & Publishers Alliance.

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Literary North: When did the Senter family come into existence for you and how did you decide that you wanted to tell the story from the perspectives of three of the family members (Tup, the father; Doris, the mother; and Dodie, the daughter)? Is it significant that the youngest son, Beston, doesn’t have his own voice in this story? Did you consider having his thoughts included, or did you always know the story would be told from only Doris, Dodie, and Tup’s points of view?

Meredith Hall: After writing my memoir, Without a Map, I knew I wanted to write a novel. I expected that the centralizing idea would be floating close at hand and I would get right down to work. But it took a very long time for me to find this story. It finally came to me as a small bit of conversation with a friend on a snowy day in my driveway. I knew instantly that I had my story: a tragedy of some sort would hit a family, and the husband would behave badly, failing his wife and children when they most needed him. I immediately understood that this would be a study of a man’s selfishness, his self-delusion as he justified his decisions. But that isn’t at all who Tup Senter was. As soon as he started to talk to us, I recognized that the story was not what I had at first imagined. Instead, it would be a study of a deeply attached family having to make their way through extreme loss, and their costly efforts to make their way back to the stronghold of their love for each other and their farm.

From that moment, I knew that other characters needed a chance to reveal themselves to us. I gave Doris and Dodie each a voice. They opened up the story for me—wife and mother, daughter and sister, their powerful identification as family bound by the daily work of the farm. I knew from the start that Beston would not have a voice. I felt that following four distinct voices would be a lot to ask of the reader. Also, Beston was very young at the start of the book, and I believed that readers would want a more adult understanding than he could bring. 

But Beston is known to us through the other characters, especially Dodie. She often shares stories about him, and tells us what she knows and understands about this quiet, acquiescing boy. Ultimately, she is forced to mother him, and she reports him to us as a mother would her child. I relied on Dodie to bring us to care about Beston.

LN: As you sat down to write Beneficence, what ideas or questions were in your mind?

MH: The overriding issue of Tup’s personal character, my desire to reveal him in his self-concerned decisions and self-justifications, drove me to this story at the start. That interest lasted about four pages! I quickly felt Tup slipping away from me and determining for himself what the real questions of this book would be. He tells us early in the book, “I am a good man.” And Doris tells us that she is a good mother. But both of them express fear, a foreboding or dread, that something will arrive in their life and they will fail at their love, for each other and their children. I wanted to watch these good people as they struggle against tragedy to redefine themselves and the nature of their loyalty and faith in each other and all goodness.

LN: The Senter farm itself—its chores, its seasons, its joys, and its hardships—seems like another member of the family. Why did you decide to set the story on a farm? How do you see the setting as being integral to the telling of this particular story.

MH: I did not grow up on a farm, although Northern New England farms are familiar to me. I grew up keeping sheep with my sister, and, with other families in my area, raised sheep and chickens and big gardens while my children grew up. I think I have always felt a deep longing for the farm I wrote for the Senters. I feel a powerful nostalgia, a hunger, for a life I never had. I love the Senter farm, and left it at the end of this book with a lot of regret. I feel something like homesickness when I am there with Tup and Doris and their children. So it was wonderful to wake every morning during the writing of Beneficence and feel almost as if I were going home. I am actually thinking about returning to this family and writing another novel, focusing on Grace or Beston.

But beyond my deep sense of the reality of this place, the family is shaped by the land they work as much it is shaped by their hands. None of these people could imagine themselves separate from their farm—the barn, the pastures, the orchard and pine hill, the creek, and the house itself. Several generations of Senters have husbanded this land. Tup and Doris and the children retain that powerful sense of belonging, of being defined by the land and its work.

LN: Your novel has the most beautiful descriptions of light that we have ever read. Was this focus on light deliberate? It feels like a counteractive to the grief in the novel.

MH: It pleases me very much that readers might feel the effect of that focus. It was not deliberate. I was unaware of my attention to light as I wrote. Now, from outside the writing, I can see that light plays throughout the story.  

But I pay close attention to light in my own days, and to beauty, so inseparable from light. I can see now that my gratitude for that gift, our strange and mysterious ability to perceive and love beauty and light, inevitably found its way to the page.

And I agree that light relieves us of the weight of grief, or fear, or regret. I think that each of the Senters felt that grace. Dodie is filled with calm as she describes the light in the upper lofts of the barn, or on the rocks and water creatures as they swim in the creek, or the moonlight bath of silver the night they go smelting. Doris loves the big blocks of sunlight that lay across the bedroom she shares with her husband, and the tender lamplight in the front room when the family rests together in the evening. Tup knows the rhythms of light through the day and night in his barn, and the welcome of the kitchen lamp by the sink when he comes in from his work at the end of the day. Light comforts and eases them.

LN: There is such a contrast between Doris (who came to the farm from the outside), who wants so desperately to keep the outside world from her home and family, and Tup (who grew up on the farm), who tells her, “You have to let the world into their home...Nothing good will come of your holding too tight to them.” Where does this contrast come from? Is it their personalities, or their experiences, or something else?

MH: This is a wonderful question, and I have had to think about it. Tup and Doris have both known loss of parents, but their lives have been graced beyond that. I don’t think they are expressing fears born of experience. 

Doris has found something so vital in the land and the old house it becomes for her a sanctuary, a stronghold. Her fierce protectiveness of her children extends to a sense of protection of everything that binds them, a deep and troubled awareness of harm that might come.

Tup has always lived on this farm, and has done its work since he was very small. It is as familiar to him, as much a part of his body, as his hands. He left as a young man to go to college, but returned in full faith of the farm’s rightness and generosity. Tup, in many ways, has more faith in the world than Doris does. He trusts more than she does. Doris’s strength and capability belie a fragility that she senses. Ir causes her to doubt the permanence and invincibility of their lives together. Tup trusts and takes for granted that permanence. Each of them react to tragedy from those inner landscapes.

LN: What does your writing practice look like and have you been writing during the pandemic?

MH: I love to write. It feels drug-like, a state I can enter and don’t want to leave at the end of the day. I love making a story, with the possibility that absolutely anything can happen. I sit down to write at 9:00 each morning in my small, welcoming writing room with its big window. I listen to an hours-long loop of Gregorian chants while I write. I have done this for so long now, the moment I click the music on, I feel myself swoop down into another world, my creating world, apart from everything I know in my daily life. And the writing opens.

I wrote deeply for the first several months of the pandemic, but sending Beneficence into the world is taking a lot of time, and so my writing is quietly waiting for me.

LN: Have you read any novels this year that have had an impact on you? If so, which ones and why?

MH: I always like to talk books!

Have you read Andrew Krivak’s The Sojourn? This is not a comfortable read, but it is really powerful. His control over time is extraordinary. It is a slim book but feels like an epic. 

Yiyun Li’s first novel, The Vagrants, is stunning in its rendering of characters in a small town in China. Li reveals their fears and capitulations to power and history, their loves and compromises, their losses and silences, in a story which allows us into the intimacy of their homes and the harsh demands of their public lives.

I just reread Marilynne Robinson’s Lila and was knocked over again by her control of the very close narrator. I have studied how she does this and have not figured it out. We are always almost inside her characters, but Robinson never abandons the guardrail of third-person narrative. She draws such full and real characters with so much tenderness and decency. It was a joy to return to the world she created in Gilead and Home.

Thank you. That was a wonderful conversation about writing!

LN: Thank you so much, Meredith. It was a pleasure!


 
Photo by Nick Brown

Photo by Nick Brown

 

Meredith Hall's memoir Without a Map was instantly recognized as a classic of the genre and became a New York Times bestseller. It was named a best book of the year by Kirkus and BookSense, and was an Elle magazine Reader’s Pick of the Year. Hall was a recipient of the 2004 Gift of Freedom Award from A Room of Her Own Foundation. Her work has appeared in Five Points, The Gettysburg Review, The Kenyon Review, The Southern Review, The New York Times, and many other publications. Hall divides her time between Maine and California.

Interview: Makenna Goodman

Local author Makenna Goodman’s debut novel, The Shame, will be released on August 11, from Milkweed Editions. We’ve been obsessed with this novel since first reading it back in the spring. The Shame grabs you from the very first page with its bold opening, and keeps you turning pages as you follow the main character, Alma, as she navigates marriage, motherhood, social media, and ambition in rural Vermont. We can’t say enough good things about this novel. You really must read it!

We reached out to Makenna to ask her a few questions about the themes of her novel and her writing process. As an extra bonus, we invited two local poets, Taylor Mardis Katz and Camille Guthrie, as well as Still North Books & Bar owner, Allie Levy, to contribute questions for this interview. Thank you to everyone, and congratulations to Makenna!

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Literary North: What ideas were you wrestling with at the very beginning of your time working on what is now The Shame? What kind of novel were you interested in writing?

Makenna Goodman: I began writing this novel about five years ago, after reading a short book of psychoanalytic theory that likened a woman’s coming into awareness with the Eros and Psyche myth. This person’s theory was that each character in the myth represented a part of the woman herself, the so-called archetypal woman (I can’t even remember if I agree with his take on femininity, honestly, but it doesn’t really matter). I grew up reading mythology and found this an exciting way into an idea. What would happen if I looked at a burning question through the many lenses of projection, of the self, manifested in many parts? My burning question was, “What is the meaning of one’s work in the world?” and “How does that relate to the systems one can’t control?” I wasn’t interested in writing a certain kind of novel, just the answer to my question, which began as a conversation with myself and turned into the novel it is now.  

LN: Tell us about how you approached writing the beginning of the novel. It's such a surprising and powerful start to the book. Where did it fall in your writing process?

MG: I can’t remember when I wrote it. But it came from a conversation I had over ice cream with my eight-year-old niece, who asked me a very precocious question, which I answered honestly.

LN: Why did you title this book The Shame? Whose shame are you referring to? In what ways is shame part of the novel? In what ways is it part of being a woman?

MG: I think there are so many answers to this question and I’m not sure I have a good one. Right now, I’m interested in how we often take literature written by women at face value. As in, every woman stands for “women,” and every experience or decision made by the narrator should be taken literally. I wish more female-authored literature was categorized as philosophical inquiry about social systems and sociopolitical critique. Why is motherhood rarely seen as a metaphor for power? It’s bizarre to me. This is a kind of societal shame—the shame of compartmentalizing things as domestic that aren’t deemed legitimate by those who hold narrative power. But everyone has their own version of shame at any point in time, on varying levels. It is a state of being human. One of many states.

LN: Could you please tell us about the gorgeous cover design?

MG: Isn’t it incredible? I was connected to the brilliant Leanne Shapton via a mutual friend, Sheila Heti, and working with her was a wonderful experience. I have long been a fan of her writing and painting, not to mention her ability to traverse various media at once in a way that feels fun and challenging and unique. I just signed a bunch of copies of the book and was putting them into this big box and it was like rifling through a chest of jewels. I will never get sick of how beautiful the book is! I love it as an object, regardless of its insides. It’s a painting of Leanne’s from her German Doll series, that she cut up and rearranged. I think it illustrates the concept of psyche very simply and perfectly.

LN: Are there any debut novels (out now or forthcoming) that you'd like to recommend?

MG: Right now I am reading The Discomfort of Evening by Marieke Lucas Rijneveld, which comes out in August. It is a brilliant book. The writer has published poetry in the Netherlands, but this is their first novel, translated from the Dutch by Michele Hutchison. I’m excited to read Luster by Raven Leilani, which I’ve heard great things about.

Taylor Mardis Katz: Once you finished writing The Shame, did you feel like the story was fully out of your system, or did it/does it still linger with you? Do you continue thinking about your characters, or have you moved on to new characters/new projects?

MG: I think of the characters in the novel as more like projections of mind states, and yes, at some points they come back to me like a memory or a dream. And even if I wanted to, I can’t rid myself of a concept, but I do change my attachment to it. I’m moving on to new concepts and new projects that excite me, though, although probably they’re just new versions of the same concepts, with a new layer.

Camille Guthrie: In the book, the narrator talks about the “witches" she was reading and loving. Who are some of your literary witches that influenced you when you were writing The Shame?

MG: I used the word “witch” in the sense that they were women stirring pots, cauldrons of discourse. For the narrator this meant women who were writing what may have been unpopular opinions or in transgressive styles at times when it was almost a miracle they were getting published, or perhaps they were shunned, or, if they were acknowledged, may not have received the attention they deserved until much later, when culture caught up with them. I didn’t name them in the book for a reason because, again, it was the concept of the female writer I was more interested in—and how they represented for the narrator both inspiration as well as the kind of writer she would like to have been, or the one she wants to become. I can’t choose a few for this answer, it’s not fair, they are all important to me! I’d have to write a profile of each writer to really be able to explain what they mean to me. But in the interest of actually answering your question, a strong influence was the book of psychoanalytic theory She by Robert A. Johnson, which I referred to earlier. But not because I liked it—I’m not certain I did. But it put a finger in a kind of wound. 

CG: You shared an earlier draft of the novel with me, which I love, and I'm very eager to read the final version when it arrives. How many drafts do you think you wrote of the book? How did you encourage yourself to keep going?

MG: Oh god, many drafts, although it would probably sound cool to be like, I wrote it in one night, in a drunken stupor. But with every draft, the piece got more and more true to itself, and in each draft the edits were slighter and slighter, and the cuts more and more important. I had to strip away all the excess. I trimmed adjectives ruthlessly—I believe in saying the thing you want as simply as you can, for who has time to parse through all the adjectives? I stayed encouraged by continuing to read and talking to friends (like you!) who had been through it too, who love books and reading. I just kept reading and enjoying it so much. And I started writing something new, too, which kept me excited while editing. And also, I tried to keep some perspective. There are more important things than suffering over one’s art! 

Allie Levy: I'm amazed at how this novel is so slim (some may even call it a novella), and yet so jam-packed with anecdotes, observations, insights, and uncanny details. Was there a point in the writing process that you realized this would be a “slim novel”? Was there pressure to shorten it or pad it so it would more easily fit into publishing’s definitions of the two forms?

Makenna Goodman: Katherine Anne Porter wrote a wonderfully insightful introduction to her collected stories in 1965 about the idea of this kind of categorization. She said:

I beg of the reader one gentle favor for which he may be sure of my perpetual gratitude: please do not call my short novels Novelettes, or even worse, Novellas. Novelette is a classical usage for a trivial, dime-novel sort of thing; Novella is a slack, boneless, affected word that we do not need to describe anything. Please call my works by their right names: we have four that cover every division: short stories, long stories, short novels, novels. 

I think my story is the length it should be, if it has done its job. The categorizing of novels, I think, is partly a contemporary one, born out of a culture where bigger is better and small is less serious. But what is so great about a long novel that goes on and on, if it hasn’t earned the right to keep your attention? For me the categories should be: did it move you, did it change you, was it enjoyable to read, did it work? Annie Ernaux, the French writer who is generally referred to as a memoirist but considers her work novelistic, has some short novels that are less than 70 pages. And they are the perfect length. I have on my bedside the behemoth Anniversaries by Uwe Johnson (which I look forward to reading this winter), which clocks in at nearly 2,000 pages and comes as one item in a two-book, boxed set. And then there’s Nella Larsen’s Passing, an unforgettable book, which is 120 pages and yet feels twenty times that in the weight of its meaning and the depth of its layers. 


We are so excited to be co-hosting the virtual launch party for The Shame, with Still North Books & Bar. Makenna will be in conversation with the amazing Lauren Groff on Tuesday, August 11, at 7:30 pm via Crowdcast. To attend, please visit our launch celebration page to register.

During the months of August and September, bookstores all over the country will be hosting Makenna for virtual events. She will be in conversation with the authors Julie Buntin, Miciah Bay Gault, Sarah Elaine Smith, Kathryn Scanlan, Sheila Heti, Leanne Shapton, and Clare Beams. To see the details of her virtual tour schedule, please visit Milkweed Editions’ event page.


 
Photo by Suzanne Opton

Photo by Suzanne Opton

 

Makenna Goodman lives and works in Vermont. The Shame: A Novel, forthcoming August 2020, is her first novel.

Summer Reading & Writing Bingo Picks - Rachel Barenbaum

It’s time for summer reading. Have you downloaded your Summer Reading & Writing Bingo card yet?

To help you complete your Bingo cards, we’re inviting members of the literary community to choose a Bingo square and share their must-reads for that category.

Next up is Rachel Barenbaum, whose novel, A Bend in the Stars, was just released in paperback in May. Thanks, Rachel!


Rachel’s Bingo square

Rachel chose On the Come Up, by Angie Thomas for the square Read a Middle Grade or Young Adult Novel.

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On the Come Up, by Angie Thomas

This is a book everyone in America should read. Bri is a Black girl bussed into a fancy white neighborhood to attend an elite public high school. Stereotypes have her fellow students thinking she's a hoodlum and when school security throws her down and cuffs her after a misunderstanding, rumors fly that she is a drug dealer. She's not. She sells candy. Every day she wonders if/when she will eat, if her mother will have the money to pay for electric or gas and if she can finally get a new pair of shoes since the soles of her current boots have peeled off from age. Timely, heart breaking, and brilliant, this book will lead to all the kinds of conversations we should be having today.

August New Releases

Each August we take a break from writing The Dipper to rest and refuel for the fall months. However, because there are so many good books coming out in August, we decided we needed to share them with you. Here are the books that have caught our attention. We hope you’ll find the perfect read for August.

August 4 releases

  • Guillotine, by Eduardo C. Corral (Graywolf Press)

  • The Death of Vivek Oji, by Akwaeke Emezi (Riverhead)

  • Here is the Sweet Hand, by Francine J. Harris (FSG)

  • Wandering in Strange Lands, by Morgan Jerkins (Harper)

  • Luster, by Raven Leilani (FSG)

  • Migrations, by Charlotte McConaghy (Flatiron)

  • Sometimes I Never Suffered: Poems, by Shane McCrae (FSG)

  • Talking Animals, by Joni Murphy (FSG)

  • Underworld Lit, by Srikanth Reddy (Wave Books)

  • Caste, by Isabel Wilkerson (Random House)

  • The Fixed Stars, by Molly Wizenberg (Abrams Press)

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August 11 releases

  • The New Wilderness, by Diane Cook (Harper)

  • The Unreality of Memory, by Elissa Gabbert (FSG Originals)

  • Difficult Light , by Tomas Gonzalez, translated by Andrea Rosenberg (Archipelago)

  • The Shame, by Makenna Goodman (Milkweed Editions)

  • Finna: Poems, by Nate Marshall (One World)

  • Bezoar, by Guadelupe Nettel (Seven Stories Press)

 
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August 15 to 18 releases

  • Lecture, by Mary Capello (Transit Books, August 15)

  • Northernmost, by Peter Geye (Knopf, August 18)

  • Summer, by Ali Smith (Pantheon, August 18)

 
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August 25 releases

  • Vesper Flights, by Helen Macdonald (Grove)

  • An Inventory of Losses, by Judith Schalansky, translated by Jackie Smith (New Directions)

  • Farewell, Ghosts, by Nadia Terranova, translated by Ann Goldstein (Seven Stories Press)

 
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Summer Reading & Writing Bingo Picks - Makenna Goodman

It’s time for summer reading. Have you downloaded your Summer Reading & Writing Bingo card yet?

To help you complete your Bingo cards, we’re inviting members of the literary community to choose a Bingo square and share their must-reads for that category.

Next up is Makenna Goodman. Makenna’s debut novel, The Shame, comes out in August. Thanks, Makenna!


Makenna’s Bingo square

Makenna chose Passing by Nella Larsen for the Bingo square: Read a Classic You Should Have Read by Now.

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Passing, by Nella Larsen

Nella Larsen's Passing is brilliant—every word glimmers like a diamond—a novel about two women, long-ago childhood friends, who happen to meet again at an exclusive hotel bar years later. Both are black women who are "passing" as white (the hotel is for whites only), and one of them is hiding her true identity from her husband, resulting in drastic consequences. Everyone hides, at one point or another, but race as a secret in this novel is important on an epic scale.